Interesting Speeding Ticket Update...
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I think MrE's lawyer is just straight fighting it. Not trying to cop a plea.
If you just want a lower fine and stuff, there's no point in paying a lawyer to negotiate for your. Only if you're really busy is it worth it. When I was negotiating, I started my negotiations low if the person didn't have a lawyer. If they had a lawyer, I just don't offer any deal or maybe like $10 off and let them "beat me down" to whatever I woulda given the person if they had walked in without a lawyer. Makes it fair for everyone.
If you just want a lower fine and stuff, there's no point in paying a lawyer to negotiate for your. Only if you're really busy is it worth it. When I was negotiating, I started my negotiations low if the person didn't have a lawyer. If they had a lawyer, I just don't offer any deal or maybe like $10 off and let them "beat me down" to whatever I woulda given the person if they had walked in without a lawyer. Makes it fair for everyone.
First of all, my friend said the cop was just standing outside of his car...no electronics in hand or anything...literally just standing outside of it.
Second, my lawyer's approach is this: he is delaying the court date as much as possible hoping that the cop will not show up to court for the court date and that the ticket will be dismissed. In smaller towns, if the cop is not there for the court date, they do reschedule, but not NYC courts.
Third, a lawyer is very well worth it. Some of you who said that a lawyer is not worth it are the ones who are always complaining about speeders and others who don't signal, etc. The truth is, lawyers DO Help your ass out. If you go into court (particularly a NYC court) pleading guilty to a lesser charge or pleading innocent with self representation, the judge will own you. It's your word against the cop's. But with a traffic lawyer, the lawyer probably knows the prosecutor and/or the judge. The lawyer understands the laws extremely well and tries to manipulate the laws to get your speeding ticket dropped. The lawyer is like your negotiator...without him/her, your chances of getting out of the ticket (or reducing the points) are significantly lower. I have been to court many times (for stupid tickets like underbody neons and shit) and I have seen it for myself. Speeders who were caught going 3-4 times the speed limit get to keep their licenses with only a few points added. And people without a lawyer who try to argue the whole "I didn't run the red light" issue (where they kept going when it was yellow) and they end up getting absolutely nowhere because the judge barely gives a shit as to what they say.
Second, my lawyer's approach is this: he is delaying the court date as much as possible hoping that the cop will not show up to court for the court date and that the ticket will be dismissed. In smaller towns, if the cop is not there for the court date, they do reschedule, but not NYC courts.
Third, a lawyer is very well worth it. Some of you who said that a lawyer is not worth it are the ones who are always complaining about speeders and others who don't signal, etc. The truth is, lawyers DO Help your ass out. If you go into court (particularly a NYC court) pleading guilty to a lesser charge or pleading innocent with self representation, the judge will own you. It's your word against the cop's. But with a traffic lawyer, the lawyer probably knows the prosecutor and/or the judge. The lawyer understands the laws extremely well and tries to manipulate the laws to get your speeding ticket dropped. The lawyer is like your negotiator...without him/her, your chances of getting out of the ticket (or reducing the points) are significantly lower. I have been to court many times (for stupid tickets like underbody neons and shit) and I have seen it for myself. Speeders who were caught going 3-4 times the speed limit get to keep their licenses with only a few points added. And people without a lawyer who try to argue the whole "I didn't run the red light" issue (where they kept going when it was yellow) and they end up getting absolutely nowhere because the judge barely gives a shit as to what they say.
speeding is a good thing? my ass it is...this isnt the damn autobahn. when a person feels he should speed and he gets stopped he best friggin pay that ticket. imagine someone close to you being hurt by some speeder, how would you feel? you wouldnt complain about "speeders"?
PS
in your case, its different
PS
in your case, its different
MrEllusive, drop me a note. I'm planning on buying either a G35 or 330i in the next month. I'd like to hear your input on the G35.
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lucas, nice hijacking here ![[rolleyes]](/images/smilies/rolleyes.png "Roll Eyes (Sarcastic) [rolleyes]")
well, speeding is not good, but a really big number of us does it now and then. and i truly believe that everybody, i repeat everybody, already overstepped the law at least once.
i think that there are several different kinds of drivers. one sort is definetly those that Mr.E describes, the "Mr. I-Obey-The-Law-At-All-Time". the kind of person that sits in the left lane blocking you because he is driving 80 where the speedlimit says 80. That actually is already against the law. blocking a third person for no obvious reason is against the law. i just can´t stand those kinds of people, because they believe they do the right thing but in reality their teacher-like behaviour is worth a trial, too.
coming back to the point if a lawyer is worth it, yes he is. I spend 70 bucks a year insurance for legal advice and an attorney if needed. i never needed one, but my mom just recently did. a guy whom she had an accident with sued her after they agreed how to settle. imagine that. they agree, and then he rethinks and sues her. the lawyer was more than 3000 bucks, glad that she was insured! the lawyer made the judge drop the charge! definetly worth the money!
well, speeding is not good, but a really big number of us does it now and then. and i truly believe that everybody, i repeat everybody, already overstepped the law at least once.
i think that there are several different kinds of drivers. one sort is definetly those that Mr.E describes, the "Mr. I-Obey-The-Law-At-All-Time". the kind of person that sits in the left lane blocking you because he is driving 80 where the speedlimit says 80. That actually is already against the law. blocking a third person for no obvious reason is against the law. i just can´t stand those kinds of people, because they believe they do the right thing but in reality their teacher-like behaviour is worth a trial, too.
coming back to the point if a lawyer is worth it, yes he is. I spend 70 bucks a year insurance for legal advice and an attorney if needed. i never needed one, but my mom just recently did. a guy whom she had an accident with sued her after they agreed how to settle. imagine that. they agree, and then he rethinks and sues her. the lawyer was more than 3000 bucks, glad that she was insured! the lawyer made the judge drop the charge! definetly worth the money!
aNoodle, this traffic lawyer is charging me a flat fee of $400. It is not a bargain price at all, but I think he is the best guy to go to for a ticket in the NYC/NJ area.
The fines I have to pay in court are $90 for the ticket and a $30 surchage, but I haven't paid those yet as the tickets aren't finalized (the whole point of this).![[burnout]](/images/smilies/icon_smile_burnout.gif "Burnout [burnout]")
The fines I have to pay in court are $90 for the ticket and a $30 surchage, but I haven't paid those yet as the tickets aren't finalized (the whole point of this).
MrElussive said:
aNoodle, this traffic lawyer is charging me a flat fee of $400. It is not a bargain price at all, but I think he is the best guy to go to for a ticket in the NYC/NJ area.
The fines I have to pay in court are $90 for the ticket and a $30 surchage, but I haven't paid those yet as the tickets aren't finalized (the whole point of this).
The fines I have to pay in court are $90 for the ticket and a $30 surchage, but I haven't paid those yet as the tickets aren't finalized (the whole point of this).
I'm also considering hiring an attorney and boiled it down to
C. Raskob (lots of press coverage and VW fan)
H. Dee (formor NY traffic court judge)
M. Kron (former traffic court judge and office in NYC)
M. Spevack (NYC & TLC specialist) and
M. Wolfberg (former cop)
The alternative is going to court myself. I'm thinking about sitting in traffic court one day
to see if I can handle it.
My questions are:
1. did anyone sit in NYC traffic court and if so did you think it's difficult to self represent for first timer? And were there any lawyers which impressed you?
2. Can anyone recommend or suggest to avoid any lawyers? Are there any lawyers from my list you would cross out?
Thank you
In Texas we have deferred adjudication. Go to court on your designated date, request deferred adjudication, plead no contest, pay court costs and do not get another moving violation for the next 90 days, show back up for court at the end of 90 days and pay a $150.00 fine and there nothing that is submitted on your record. This procedure can be accomplished every 90 days as long you do not receive another moving violation in any state.
To Big Daddy's comment, in Texas we also have the privilege of a jury trial for speeding tickets. I requested a jury trial once and was found not guilty for a speeding ticket (this was all before deferred adjudication). This was the one and only time I actually was not guilty of speeding. [fake] [fake]
Every 90 days huh? In Illinois, you can get court supervision for one year. If you don't get a ticket within that year, it does not get reported to the insurance companies. Depending on where you get the ticket though, you might have to take a defensive driving course.
The more I learn about Texas, the more I think I might need to transfer to our Dallas or Houston office.
The more I learn about Texas, the more I think I might need to transfer to our Dallas or Houston office.